I agree with Hornblower. Again, as you pointed out, this might well be (with so many things, if not all behaviors, human or canine…) a combination of nature AND nurture. Well, I went to a neighbor's house real fast and he was sitting on my front porch, with my dog. the whole yard vs. just the few feet in front of us), and he didn’t see the toss motion, he would sometimes look at me, and if I then pointed, he would follow the point the same way he would have followed the tossing motion. She enjoys reading every comment, and adds her own responses when she can. I have a springer, Bruce, a welsh-english cross. Your fate will also aid in your success. © 1996-2015 National Geographic Society, © 2015- This seemed to be a learned behavior, but one that he learned through observation rather than deliberate training. okay, just finished reading the original post. I have mostly hounds, too. Iit’s interesting how my Border Collie quickly learned to “point” for me, using her eyes (much like the human researcher’s eyes in the video). I didn’t know dogs could do … So, he learns that eyes open means that I’m paying attention (no matter which where my head is facing), but eyes closed he can get the treat and I won’t do anything about it. Did the dog reliably go to a container that did not contain food, when the researcher pointed at it? Bartlet: Go figure. Here are 11 reasons why the middle child is actually the strongest: 1. Anonymous. Based just on the ‘point’ test, one might conclude that dogs are brighter than chimps, but tests for other sorts of cognition reveal quite different results. In the study, researchers took hundreds of videos of 37 dogs interacting with their owners in England. One day at the park Ranger and a Husky pal were hunting Labradors. Funny video dogs really hate middle finger. I’m no whiz trainer, so I’ve been muddling along by taking bite-sized pieces of stake and placing them at some distance from him, where he could see them, and then releasing him to go get it, and eventually working up to putting the steak around a corner. I just love posts like this – I spent the last couple of days chewing it over in my mind. 10 Middle Finger. Again this gesture might involve you pointing AND turning your head AND looking towards the goal. This is where the dog is sent out to gather one group of sheep, and the handler will typically make sure the dog sees the sheep before sending them out. The pointing experiments and studies are attemping to prove what we already know…dogs are experts at reading body language. — and I absolutely agree that the distance between the end of our arm or finger and the object of interest is of great importance. It can mean anything from f—k you to f—k off, go f—k yourself, and shove it up your a—. If you do not understand what 'up yours' means, then feel free to email me because I can not tell you what it really means as I have already got many warnings from yahoo answers. Can any of them follow a pointing gesture toward a desired resource? One result leads to different interpretations by different people, which leads to more studies that at first make the issue even more complicated if not confusing, but which eventually lead to us truly progressing in our understanding. I’m going to amend the post to mention that, thanks for your good comment. It’s interesting and entirely unsurprising that eye gaze is so important – humans babies learn to interpret eye gaze very early on, before they can talk, and dogs are one species that seems to be quite adept and interpreting human eye gaze. You’ve captured exactly what I think is happening. I wouldn’t be surprised if dogs learned to look at where we point with our fingers/hands BECAUSE we tend to demonstrate it by using our heads at the same time. Here is a list of 11 odd cat behaviors and what they actually mean. How close to the object or location does Duke have to be to understand the information? It can mean anything from f—k you to f—k off, go f—k yourself, and shove it up your a—. Perhaps a good explanation at this point on the issue is that there appears to be an innate tendency in dogs to be predisposed to learn to follow a pointing gesture. When they are young, it seems to me that they pay no attention to the direction you are indicating, and simply go to your hand and sniff it. Just a lay persons observations. if we were out together and i wanted to cross the road i’d say (word for word most of the time) ”howay son, lets cross over” and he would. As a genetic researcher and a dog lover person, I agree there many probably dark points in this research. Though he’s willing to dabble in tooth fencing and wrestling (play fighting)with his dog friends, Otis’ preferred games have always been ‘play hunting’. One can express crossed fingers in textual communication using U+1F91E HAND WITH INDEX AND MIDDLE FINGERS CROSSED (HTML 🤞). I believe it was Stanley Cohen who observed that his dogs immediately understood pointing when he put a conical party hat on as as nose/muzzle on himself and used it to point like dogs point with their nose. The middle finger represents individuality of a person, and is related to our purpose in life. It’s not a universally crude gesture, however. (Related: how elephants understand humans, and other animals that use gestures to communicate.). But they are also attracted to your representation of harmony and justice. Today he was visiting my classroom and one of the exercises we do is to let each child ask for one of his tricks and reward him with a treat. I point, and she says “huh?”. Tests were carried out requiring them to find a treat hidden under a cup. Just the fact that the human/woman is also moving her head and looking at the cup skews the results. The middle finger means nothing of such.It is a part of our body that GOD created for our own use.If it was bad why did GOD put it there in the first place?. When I want him to move from behind or beside me to sit in front of me I draw a line with my finger tracing the path. She’s almost 100% correct in that game. I’ll cue him which kid he should be attending to with a point sometimes a very subtle one of no more than the flick of a finger. She NEVER looks where I point, just at my finger. 2 0. I will play with her with a toy for a while, then put it up high (on top of a tall bookcase or the fireplace mantle). I don't know how did it started to be offensive. A lot can be said about the way your hands are shaped more than you can imagine. My younger BC has not been taught to follow gestures but he seems to “get it,” however, I honestly think that he has learned it from observing the older dog interacting with me. . (Related: how humans communicate with a particular species of bird.). If your middle and ring fingers are spread apart, you’re not easily influenced by popular opinion. Then, at the last second he pulls up, greeting his ‘prey’ with a solid-but-not-too-solid chest whump and a few minutes of wrestling before bounding off to set up the next game. Super Senior Dogs. how dogs know the meaning of a human smile. Just something I have noticed. People are often surprised that cats can learn to do this but I think it’s really just a matter of how long you take to train them and how much patience you have. I was contacted by Beagle Brigade about Shiloh once. The Middle Finger: Dark Skin Tone emoji is a modifier sequence combining Middle Finger and Dark Skin Tone.These … . In the USA it can be a friendly gesture that can mean "you're cool" when doing this gesture to someone you're talking to directly and in a friendly fashion. Interestingly, Otis will switch positions when hunting with another male, but when he plays with his great dane girlfriend, he ALWAYS takes point, letting her bolt the ‘prey’ while waits, then lowers the hammer, so to speak. all seem to notice and react when a person’s eyes are on them and at least some of them can follow a gaze directed at something else. I can’t say much about the success I’ve seen and innate vs learned, but I can say spacial parameters make a big difference. P.S. Preferred stones for the middle finger are quartz and coral. Just trying to hold them in position seemed to be almost impossible. I had came back and snuck up behind the chair he was sitting it and noticed his hand "down there"on the dog as it was moving in a fingering motion. I could go on, but I’ll just raise this issue now, and take it back up after hearing the talks of Clive Wynne and Monique Udell, both of whom have been doing their own research on this topic of pointing gestures and how they are interpreted. Regarding your wondering if the public ‘back and forth’ about the meaning of the results of pointing studies has been useful, I would argue that it is. Eventually, the cue for the behaviour will be just the hand, but it was because they followed our ‘nose’ to where we were looking that they learned the behaviour. What I mean is the orientation and distance between dog and human subjects as well as the object’s position are critical. Calling names brings no response, pointing, waving. What I’d read then was that dogs can be taught what pointing means very quickly and easily, but cats basically cannot catch on to it no matter how much you teach them. ), By definition, referential signals must involve a request made with an object or part of the signaler’s body. He’s one of those that would make it look innate because he responds to the point even when I’m pointing at something that isn’t close. If dogs could follow a human gesture so easily (either inherently or through training), then why don’t the handlers point with their hands at “double lift” sheepdog trials? (which goes back to one of your previous posts… do dogs learn from dogs?). RELATED: This Quiz Reveals Your Soul's Animal Guide. They can learn to follow commands but it takes a lot longer to train them to do so than for dogs. I often think of a story you told in your book about these types of gestures and dogs. Dogs do a great job of expressing themselves with their face. I have heard a bit about this research before. If my dog was born with an inherent ability to understand pointing gestures, I’ve yet to see it. While middle fingers are sometimes looked down on as vulgar or indecent, vulgarity and indecency are at the heart of why we give the finger. He’s one of the few researchers who has been doing work on domestic dogs for years, and it’s great that he’ll be at the conference. Anyway, I find it hard to believe that if pointing to dogs to indicate directions worked so well, that this wouldn’t have become an essential tool in working sheep. That sounded much more negative than I intended. If this is not you then go grow a dick. You are the raddest. and out of some silly human impulse to help, I’d point at it. Sorry! Why do dogs turn away from us when we try to hug them? Maybe it’s because we spend less time interacting with our cats. It’s my understanding (Trisha, correct me if I’m wrong!) The sign did not mean any of these when it originated in ancient Greece. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc. Translations. . I believe he learned it by playing Find It, because I often tossed a piece of kibble and he would visually follow the motion of my hand. I remember watching that documentary and being really frustrated at how wrong parts of it were. Cats are almost exclusively motivated by self-interest! I’m a human, I point to convey information. Trisha, I guess overall the video or experiment still shows that dogs have a unique (or rare) ability to discern subtle difference in gestures/facial expressions. It was clearly a game and it was accepted as such by all participants including the “prey” but it was fascinating to watch as Ranger and the Husky picked out their prey (there were probably 20 dogs and six of them were Labs–no idea why they were only hunting Labs and not any other dogs) and point the specific Labrador they’d be hunting with their noses then somehow (never did figure out how they agreed who would do what) decide which one would hide in the bushes in ambush and which would herd the prey in. A new study published in the journal Animal Cognition shows our furry friends use a combination of at least 19 distinct gestures to tell us what they want. finger - any of the terminal members of the hand (sometimes excepting the thumb); "her fingers were long and thin". well, the middle finger actually means 'up yours' . In the Middle East and Far East use the index and middle fingers together or the whole hand to point something out. My cats have also learned as easily as my dogs to follow a point. Dogs may have somehow learned the behavior prior to the experiment, even though their owners didn’t realize they were being taught. Favorite Answer. “Perhaps a good explanation at this point on the issue is that there appears to be an innate tendency in dogs to be predisposed to learn to follow a pointing gesture. I think we have to be very careful with terms here. I don’t think the beagle ever learned what pointing meant, but I can’t remember trying to teach her. They also have to be “mechanically ineffective,” meaning they’re nothing more than gestures. What Do Your Fingers Say About You? The “one-finger salute,” or at any rate sexual gestures involving the middle finger, are thousands of years old. Yes, it's true, dogs do get mad when you show them the middle finger. Some have suggested (boldly, in my opinion) that their results negate others’ results. One is object discrimination. He learned it as it was done in the video, coupled with motion and eye contact, very quickly (within than one day), implying that he had no innate understanding of the point, but that he did have the ability to easily learn the gesture. On the other hand, in Chinese culture pointing is actually a gesture that signifies the number eight. For example, dog owners can learn that certain pet behaviors, like pressing noses against an object, combined with other ones, like tail wagging, could mean different things. I found it interesting that the chimp guy was so shocked a DOG would be able to follow a point at all much less way better than the chimp. 1 decade ago. But if I point to something in the distance away from both of us I get a hand sniff or confused walking around much of the time. Those who are versed in dog training know very well that dogs have their own language that predominantly consists of body language consisting of metasignals that humans often miss. The ones in the video I watched looked frightened and completely unable to focus. My first impression on the chimps. So what has all this new research discovered? Here's how to do it right: If one sees his ring finger paralyzed in the dream, it means that he will suffer pain and difficulties because of an ailment that will befall his mother or a female relative. They are two now and will look for my hand signals to do many things. I’ll look up the actual data on “puppies” (shouldn’t it be ‘juveniles?’) before I leave for Atlanta. It is indeed true that the dogs could be taught a pointed arm means the sheep are in “that” direction, but I suspect no one does because we all want our dogs to keep their eyes on the sheep and away from us as much as possible. There seems to be a temptation to define intelligence as ‘greater’ or ‘lesser’ and expect consistent results across a full gamut of ‘intellectual’ activities, but it doesn’t seem to me that all such activities (communication and logical deduction, for example) are driven by the same cognitive processes. I am so used to Tara finding what we’re looking for because I point to it, I wasn’t even sure whether it was something she always did or an ability she developed. But I just got a dog, and I’ve been observing this in her. It means one thing follows the other, therefore it was caused by the other. Studies even suggest that your fingers’ length is also linked to your body’s testosterone levels when you were while still in your mother’s womb! If I understand it correctly, they too have been somewhat skeptical of some of the conclusions drawn by other researchers. Others have also made the predisposition to learn argument (Pam Reid’s review paper in Behavioural Processes; Juliane Kaminski’s talk at Canine Science Forum in Vienna this year). . The middle fingerIt really means f**k you.Its sort of cheesy. I have a cat that is obsessed with food and you’d think it would be easy to teach him to follow a point, but instead he just fixates on my hand. A good friend and colleague tells me that adult wolves appear to be much more focused on humans and their gestures than the young ones, so perhaps there is a developmental component to the behavior. Whether its a hand command to sit, a point or my favorite, raising your hand to cue a dog to go down, they tend to watch what we are doing. 2. Guess which one is the Border collie? A TV left on in another room never elicited the slightest interest, but sit down to watch television, and she’d go bananas. They do it themselves, and they understand when it’s done to/at them. The hunters sweep out from one another, eyes pinning the ‘victim’ with a deadly focus, one dog more directly in line with the victim while the other ‘takes point’ off to the side. I agree that dogs may have an inherent predisposition to learning what “pointing” means – or what other hand gestures mean, for that matter. She learned it very quickly, but it was taught, I don’t think she initially understood it. I have a son who is also in the 1st grade and 6 years old. Not being willing to stop just yet, she will often sit in front of me, looking at my face, then at the toy, then back at my face, then at the toy. Can dogs understand us? It's also known as "the bird," a poor symbolic avian that is endlessly "flipped" and "flicked. We just get the biggest bling we can and slap it onto whatever finger it fits best. The chocolate lab puppy appears to look up to the human’s face (2:16) before deciding which way to go. I also liked the demonstration of just using eyes. It’s just that many times we humans are too dumb to “get” the point and act on the request. It is a good decision, and you do not have to look awkward or weird when using rings for another purpose other than beauty. In addition, researchers (Brian Hare, Michael Tomasello and others) have compared the responses of adult dogs and “puppies” with that of chimpanzees and wolves. I place 2 identical training dummies on her left and right, and I point to which one to retrieve (I don’t remember how long it took her to learn this – but it wasn’t long). It is so easy for dogs to learn what a pointing finger means that it looks like they’re born knowing. glance at the tin and then back at me without moving her head :). . The relationship between a human and a dog is more of a partnership than the relationship of a chimp and a human. middle finger - the second finger; between the index finger and the ring finger. My “point” is: whether it is an innate behavior or not, if you can teach your dog to understand a human point, you may be glad of it. Both the other two dogs picked up what pointing meant coincidentally to learning other commands: the labX generalised from anticipating which way a thrown ball would go. There were a lot of things like that in the early days of caring for Otis. I’ll have to test & observe this more closely. A psychologist who studies canine behaviour found a disturbing trend in 250 photos of people hugging dogs - the dogs were not happy. Your email address will not be published. He was like your Beagle, A. If they stand apart, then your position will come from other means. In light of the whole discussion of pointing though it struck me as relevant that they were pointing to their “prey.” Since they do point when working together as part of their communication it’s not that surprising that they pick up very quickly that humans point their fingers to convey information. (Most) dogs learn it quickly, true, but I’ve yet to see one who understood it right out of the gate. My two dogs follow certain commands, such as “stay, better when I use a voice command and a hand signal together. That suggests to me that there was learning involved, and that the behavior is not 100% innate, which fits with my experience with dogs. I think maybe one of the differences in dogs and chimps is that dogs have lived in a cooperative relationship with humans for thousands of years and have been selected for that cooperativeness. We did not lose Texas because of the hat joke. It makes sense that a dog would innately understand that when someone deliberately looks at something there is some reason for it, and would naturally want to investigate what that person was looking at – however I would have thought wolves would act in the same way (perhaps they do, but only towards other wolves?). Sometimes it would be the same Lab other times a different one. One thing my instructor emphasizes is getting the dog to look at you, always be looking at you….but it definitely is a learned response….unless I do have steak on my nose :). And to LorieK: Oh heavens, was my brain turned off! It confuses them because they don't really understand what you're trying to communicate.

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